A timeline of PY

This is anon27’s timeline of PY. He was a student at Pathgate for 20 years.

1993

PY was a small-time martial arts teacher, with about 6 dedicated students and 20-40 casual students spread across London and Newcastle. He was just trying to break into the alternative healing / wellness world. He’d bought a large house with a pool in the basement with the first, and only, brainwashed person, a lady. The plan was for him to set up some kind of treatment centre there, based around PY’s chi kung power. 

She was super dedicated to him – in love / obsessed with him actually, but he was very casual with her. A few months later, she’d split away, keeping the house. He was very pissed off, and gave no real reasons for what had happened, but said he was “letting it all go”, so we should all just forget about it. We never saw or heard from her again. 

Later it became clear the house / money to buy it had always been hers, which is the real reason why he “let it go”. He’d given us the impression that it was the result of, and next step with, a very successful business he’d been building. It wasn’t.

~1994

PY’s claims of superpowers became much more pronounced, but all from martial arts. He lost all his “normal” students over the next time period, leaving a very small core group. Even within that small group, most if not all of us left PY at at least one point or another, but came back.

~1996

He started the 3 year Chi Kung foundation study. What was striking about it was that despite PY saying there would be exams and tests, there never were. The way he taught it was also a lot of waffle. It took me years to realise that without any kind of testing, none of us knew if we were “doing it right”, there was no sense of advancement, and PY didn’t have to actually teach anything!

This meant nobody really learned anything more than if they had picked up a book, but we were paying top dollar of course. It was all martial arts with supposedly esoteric Chi Kung.

~2000

I became aware he was talking a lot more about Buddhism, and started mentioning his trips to see HH. This is when he openly spoke about infiltrating HH’s circle and presence by pretending to be a photographer. He was proud that he’d found this sneaky way in, because it allowed him into places he otherwise wouldn’t have got into, and to be physically way closer to HH than he would otherwise have been, which also meant other people thought he was a lot more important than he was.

~2002

I went for a class, and things had changed. Prayers had started, as had prostrations to PY. He talked a heck of a lot, then we did a bit of martial arts. It all struck me as extraordinary. “Classes” had become “teachings”, more often. PY had become fixated on creating his enlightened lama persona, and was well on the way to doing so, though martial arts were still a big part of things and he wasn’t quite as inflated as he then became.

~2006

PY had fully become who we now know him as, but wasn’t quite as obvious about it as he is now. At Namdroling, PY was in very bad character throughout, which I later realised was partly because he was manipluating the final steps with various people around the monastery to getting his lama robes, and it wasn’t as easy as he’d thought it would be. He got his lama robes, and to me at least, this marked his terminal decline. He’d become so nasty, I packed up my stuff and left.

2010s

Over the years I fought the brainwashing, reached my conclusions, but still had a few doubts, and wanted to see what had become of the students who had stayed (I figured that if they’d advanced more than me, it would have evidence I was wrong), so I went for a class. It was as I’d remembered, but worse. The students who had stayed hadn’t changed one bit! They’d in fact gotten more suppressed and introverted.

I thoroughly checked afterwards what I’d learned and not learned, and found that PY had spent hours saying nothing useful. I went to one more class, to know for absolutely sure, and that was it for me.

A History of Deceit (1)

I have wondered over the years why Peter Yeung (PY) didn’t have more students from his local area in Newcastle, or the UK for that matter; international students make up the bulk of his current following.

PY brainwashed these students by explaining that locals lack the merit to learn from around an authentic lama. But a simple examination would reveal the more straightforward truth — locals have had 40 years to familiarise themselves with PY’s true character and methods.

Quoting anon27 from this blog post:

Over 20 years, every student we saw that achieve things either in Buddhism, in martial arts, or in life, or who had good relationships in the real world, left Peter Yeung.

Here are some comments extracted from various forums regarding experiences with PY:


With regards to the below underlined statement…

…archived Pathgate webpages reveal a now deleted section called Media Report on Dr. P Young. One can’t help but notice the consistency of writing style in these articles.

The Pathgate website also used to include huge sections devoted to praising PY:
Testimony of The Miraculous Acts of Truth
Reflection On Being A Student of Lama Dondrup Dorje

When I read through them before I became a student, I remembered thinking that the writing all appear remarkably similar in tone, as if they were edited by the same person. I also had lingering doubts about why a so-called Buddhist teacher would need such lavish praise from his students, it just seemed over the top, and unaligned with Buddhist ethics.

Notably, PY instructed these sections to be removed in 2012, as he evolved his persona from martial artist to full-fledged Buddhist teacher — I was around when this happened.


The below post is consistent with the testimony of “J”, who wrote about his experience with PY in the 70s here, regarding his pattern of claiming expertise and authority to teach when he has none:


The following is sent to our Facebook page early this year:

Again, this corresponds to prior testimonies, in this case provided by a forum poster here, who said:

‘Aside from his first name, the only thing I ever heard Penor Rinpoche call Peter was a liar. This was during the summer retreat, where Rinpoche said he did not “take money from liars”, and refused Peter’s monetary offering in front of the entire group of retreatants.’


Finally, a recent comment by an ex-student on this blog post.

Peter Yeung’s history of deception extends back for 40 years. Apologists may believe that critics who speak out are isolated cases — disgruntled ex-students or jealous competitors. But this is simply not true. Given the small size of PY’s following and the secrecy surrounding his organisation, the amount of testimonies and allegations against him, as I have compiled here, should be considered to be extremely significant.

Peter Young barred from entering Australia

After more than a decade of illegally teaching religion and receiving money from Australians, sources have reported to us that “Lama” Dondrup Dorje A.K.A. Peter Young (PY) has been barred from entering Australia during his attempted entry in January 2019. 

PY was stopped by the Australian Border Force for trying to enter the country as a visitor on a UK passport, when he is there to generate income from his distorted brand of Buddhist teaching and Tai Chi classes. He has never applied for a permit to work as a religious teacher all these years. He is a fraudulent Buddhist teacher committing immigration fraud and tax fraud. On top of that, he encouraged his local student host to violate building regulations. This non-compliance placed his student at risk for breaking civil laws. These are all illegal and criminal activities.

We are heartened by the Australian authorities’ response, as this will protect real Buddhists and aspiring Buddhists in Australia from being corrupted by PY. This also stops PY from further harming the current Pathgate students in Australia. Hopefully, this move by the Australian Border Force sends a clear signal that causes the current students to think critically: 

“If my teacher is authentic, why would he be stopped by government authorities?”
“As Buddhists, are we exempted from the laws of the land?”
“What is our teacher’s stance on this and how are his activities and actions reflecting it?”

It is actually common knowledge to students of PY that he operates under the radar of authorities of the countries he “teaches” in. PY explains this as “not drawing unnecessary attention.” He actually boasts about this to students frequently, as this has allowed him to slip in and out of countries quietly, and students to facilitate the movement with large sums of money on his behalf for many years.

Ex-students have come to realise that this is another of PY’s manipulation and brainwashing. For PY to believe that he is an superior spiritual teacher who is above the laws of the land, indicates his blatant lack of respect for them. And to passively encourage and therefore implicate his students into breaking laws for his personal agenda, shows how little care he has for them. These are classic signs of a narcissist and a sociopath. 

Another way to explain this: PY knows that he is a fake, so he cannot establish legal religious entities within the countries he operates in. The bottom line is that he does not have the credentials, recognition, and legitimacy to set up a legally recognised Buddhist centre with financial accountability anywhere in the world, even within his native UK. Any attempt to do so by himself and his students will give the game away.

International efforts are now expanding to get authorities to investigate PY and Pathgate in the various countries he has a presence in. We would like to encourage anyone who reads this and/or has a loved one in Pathgate and is concerned for their social, psychological and financial well-being, to report to your local authorities PY’s and Pathgate’s illegal activities. Your effort in preventing this cult from causing further harm is very much a public service, and is greatly appreciated by survivors of Pathgate.

Peter Y the Martial Artist

The following is a message sent to us through this website by a former student from the late 70s. It has been slightly edited and formatted. It confirms what ex-students have suspected based on their personal experiences: that Peter Young’s character is questionable and he has undermined students for decades.

I’d like to tell you about Peter Y the Martial Artist. (I must apologise as I’m not the most educated but I’m trying to make this readable.)

My name is John and in the late 70’s I read a magazine article about Tai Chi (I believed it and wanted to know more). My best friend’s wife trained as a dancer and her teacher was a Master. I went to his Gym, it was on the corner of Clayton Street and Pink Lane in Newcastle. On the front door was a poster saying what was taught there, as I remember there was Tai-Chi, Shaolin Kung Fu, Ballroom Dancing, Something like Cha Cha Dancing?, Aerobics, Etc.

Anyway, Peter told me that I’d have to train in his Shaolin class as ‘the Internal Arts’ were reserved for his inner school.

Anyway, several months later, I was one of his ‘top’ students but I knew something was wrong (I come from a Travelling Family who fight for fun), there was no contact, and there was no inner school?

Anyway, I parted contact with Peter (however all his talk about Chinese Martial Arts had wetted my appetite) I joined Edmund Ng’s ‘Choy Lay Fut’ club in Newcastle.

Edmund is the guy who does the Lion Dancing at Chinese New Year. A Great Club, with Great fighters (Alan H, proper smashed me up).

Anyway, word got round that Peter was saying he was trained in Choy Lay Fut, Edmund was pretty pi##ed off, Arranged a meeting (it was at the Happiness Inn Restaurant at the Haymarket in Newcastle).

(I now understand about lineage in the Martial Arts, if you teach you state who your teacher was, Peter couldn’t.)

Anyway as I could fight, Edmund took me under his wing, (the bloke is a pretty tough guy) Edmund told Peter never to pretend to teach Chinese Martial Arts again and Peter barked back at Edmund, Edmund then walked up to him and beat Peter up (He beat Peter up bad, there was blood streaming from his left ear).

Peter then had to pay for our meal (there was at least 8 of us) and promised never to tell anyone he knew Choy Lay Fut.

For relevance to your site, Peter never told/taught me about Buddhism, he told me he was a Taoist Master (which I believed) he is pretty charismatic.
I know that some will question this however luckily I have been on his path gate website and you can see his martial arts videos, they are proper dancing videos, (any dancer can emulate any martial arts move only better) (the early ones feature KW, ask him).

Sorry for this ramble but this guy Peter is a nasty bit of work, he really undermined my confidence for the period I was with him.

(Just for reference, as well as training with Edmund I have also trained with a lot more Martial Artists (Peter used to forbid this), for example John Aiken from High Bridge but the best (in my view) is the Hartlepool Boy Mr John Dawson, a true Teacher.

I have given this a LOT of thought. I have read my e-mail and it reads pretty bad, I read like a thug (perhaps I am, I was A Doorman/Bouncer in Newcastle for 22 years). Peter, really tried to convince me that he was a Master and as a teenager I totally totally believed him, but luckily coming from a travelling family (where fighting is the norm) I finally understood he was lying to me. He did mess me up in the late 1970’s (I with “K” was his top student), he is good at twisting/bamboozling things, however I was showing my Uncle some techniques and without my compliance my Uncle spanked me. It took me a year and a half to realize Peter was a phony (but it still pi””es me off). I was lucky (he only wasted 18 months of my life) Please feel free to use any information I provide you with any way you want.

Its hard to admit to yourself that you have been duped. (Peter always used to say that Chinese Masters expected total loyalty. No they don’t!)

J.

Peter Young’s relationship with Palyul and H.H. Penor Rinpoche

Peter Young (PY) has no official connection to Nyingma, Palyul or Namdroling. Past emails to Namdroling verifying his authenticity were unanswered. This is the Tibetan way of saying “he is nothing to do with us”. They refuse to acknowledge PY. I have never seen any real connection with Palyul. PY puts their name on the Pathgate website, and that’s all.

I was there when he started to say he was part of Palyul, and it was like someone having been to a place a few times, then saying “oh I’m part of it”. He is lying about this.

Another poster on this forum said he saw the late Holiness Penor Rinpoche (HH) call PY a liar in front of a group of retreatants. Nowadays, PY simply tells his students that he was “scorned very badly” by HH. He claims he did not know why HH was scorning him, he believes that HH was purifying his karma and using him to teach the other students present. 

Yet the truth is, HH was simply calling PY out for who he is, a liar. For PY to spin this event to paint himself in a good light shows the jaw-dropping lack of shame and remorse.

I was there when PY started his relationship with HH. PY boasted about how he forced himself into HH’s inner circle by pretending to be a professional photographer who just wanted to take pictures (so he had to be allowed to be nearby at all times). I didn’t just hear about it, I saw it happen. Also ask the senior student, he knows.

PY was not a professional photographer, so he was lying to HH and his circle of high lamas, so he could get close to them.  

PY then wanted to self-publish a coffee-table book of HH in order to hide this lie, but since his photographs lacked quality (because he wasn’t a professional), he said that publishing a book like that was too expensive.

HH didn’t like PY, and treated him with disdain. I saw this myself when I was at Namdroling. The times I saw PY with HH, HH did not seem to hold PY in any kind of high regard. In fact, I’d say HH was very careful around PY, and very careful to keep distance from him.

In fact, I heard PY complain about the distance HH kept from him several times. Yes, PY spent time around HH, but I think PY has turned that into “I was his special student”. He’s lying. It’s like someone going to a nightclub a few times with a celebrity, and turning that into “oh yeah we are super special friends”.

HH had patience with PY because PY brought a lot of money to the monastery, and had developed political ties to influential people in the monastery (again through money and also by manipulating the monks’ awe at PY having so many Western students).

I saw HH give PY the lama robes ceremoniously, in return for a lot of money. It was not in recognition of PY’s status. I don’t believe PY when he says HH gave him authority to teach. In Tibetan Buddhism, that kind of authority is always backed up by a signed document from the high lama. The Rinpoche at the official Europe Palyul Centre has such a document.
The Tibetans did this to stop fake gurus. PY does not have such a document from HH. 

When I have seen PY interact with other Buddhists it is not positive. He is a constant state of agitation, and always trying to impress them.

PY also behaves generally in a way that is nothing like how I’ve experienced real Tibetan Buddhist Lamas behave. The only Buddhist teachers who behave like PY, are those who have since been exposed at fakes and abusers. This has been true since the 1970s, it’s all documented. 

The only teachers who talk about using “crazy wisdom” are the fakes – they use it as an excuse to act like arseholes. The real teachers who use crazy wisdom don’t need to explain that is what they are doing, because even when “crazy”, what they do is positive and effective.

PY is neither positive nor effective, so he has to tell people he’s using “crazy wisdom” to explain his behaviour. He needs the excuse of “crazy wisdom”, otherwise he’s just an arsehole. If you take the excuse of “crazy wisdom” from PY, you see immediately who he really is, someone who is nasty to everyone around him, so he can exploit them, so he doesn’t have to get a job.

A step-by-step guide on how Peter Yeung turns you into one of his believers

The following is shared with us by an ex-student who Peter Yeung attempted to curse and destroy but ultimately failed. He has since went on to rebuild a happy life successfully.

A step-by-step guide on how Peter Yeung turns you into one of his believers:

1. Appear friendly and approachable:

Jovial, adept at cracking jokes, and making fun of himself, Peter Yeoung will create an image that he’s fun to be with, showing interest in your interests and becoming your best pal.

2. Display the image of a sage:

PY has his students around him behave with total obedience and submission. He will also repeatedly recount his encounters with the late H.H Penor Rinpoche and how supramundane their relationship is. Furthermore, we are constantly reminded on the seemingly supernatural events around him, implying his power and extraordinary status. The overall purpose is to instill awe and respect in you, so that you begin to believe how lucky you are to have the opportunity to meet such a “high Lama”.

3. Invite you to attend his “Dharma teachings”:

By this time, if you are still not in awe and respect of him, he would have most likely left you alone for you are not the “chosen one”. As you indeed attend his teaching, he will quote the Buddhist texts but based on his own interpretation. Prior to your arrival, information of you would have been gathered by asking your introducer. During his teaching he will give you the impression that he knows all about you without you telling him, so you feel that his teaching is great as it strikes a chord with your current life situation, and be be interested in going for more. And before you know it, you will be…

4. Taking refuge:

PY would use slogans such as “A human body is hard to attain, and the Buddhadharma is hard to come by” to imply how rare your encounter with him is, and how you should treasure this opportunity now. Should you stubbornly refuse to take refuge with him, he may flare up, but alas there’s nothing more that he can do to you. Knowing that he shouldn’t destroy the relationship he has with you as there’s always another chance in future, he will try to loosen up the tension by being jovial or cracking some jokes.

5. Maintaining control over you and your loved ones:

As you become more involved with Pathgate, PY will use humiliation, induce shame, and remove your ability to make decisions as “Lama knows best”. That in whatever you do, you should always first consult your root guru. He is very skilful in manipulating your emotions, rendering you helpless and tattered as you cling onto his very joy and anger. Total control over you is his way of ensuring the strength of his organisation and its financial sustenance.

PY’s use of the title PhD

I was there when PY was given his PhD, which prompted him to call himself “Dr Young” for several years (as referred to in the above post), until he found himself a new title (Lama).

The PhD was given to him by a Chinese friend of his who ran some kind of education establishment in the USA. If you know something about education in the USA you will know that these establishments basically only have satisfy financial criteria in order to award whatever certificates they want. Needless to say this establishment had no real standing or recognition of any kind. I can’t find any trace of it on the internet now.

This friend of his gave PY the PhD, because PY hosted this friend for a weekend in the UK.

That’s it. That’s the only reason he has a PhD. PY hosted a friend for a weekend.

The PhD is not worth the paper it was printed on, and for PY to call himself “Dr” for many years as a result, once again shows how deceptive he is.

It also shows how little respect PY has for any title or honorific. Many people work for years to get a PhD. He hosted a friend for the weekend, and had no shame in claiming the honour. Amongst the military, this is called “stolen valour”.

I saw this happen myself, directly, and was astonished when PY started to call himself “Dr” the following week, changing his business cards to relfect the new title.

PY’s use of “Lama” and “Rinpoche” follow the same pattern.