Peter Y the Martial Artist

February 13, 2019February 28, 2019 ~ karmicwind ~ Leave a comment

The following is a message sent to us through this website by a former student from the late 70s. It has been slightly edited and formatted. It confirms what ex-students have suspected based on their personal experiences: that Peter Young’s character is questionable and he has undermined students for decades.

I’d like to tell you about Peter Y the Martial Artist. (I must apologise as I’m not the most educated but I’m trying to make this readable.)

My name is John and in the late 70’s I read a magazine article about Tai Chi (I believed it and wanted to know more). My best friend’s wife trained as a dancer and her teacher was a Master. I went to his Gym, it was on the corner of Clayton Street and Pink Lane in Newcastle. On the front door was a poster saying what was taught there, as I remember there was Tai-Chi, Shaolin Kung Fu, Ballroom Dancing, Something like Cha Cha Dancing?, Aerobics, Etc.

Anyway, Peter told me that I’d have to train in his Shaolin class as ‘the Internal Arts’ were reserved for his inner school.

Anyway, several months later, I was one of his ‘top’ students but I knew something was wrong (I come from a Travelling Family who fight for fun), there was no contact, and there was no inner school?

Anyway, I parted contact with Peter (however all his talk about Chinese Martial Arts had wetted my appetite) I joined Edmund Ng’s ‘Choy Lay Fut’ club in Newcastle.

Edmund is the guy who does the Lion Dancing at Chinese New Year. A Great Club, with Great fighters (Alan H, proper smashed me up).

Anyway, word got round that Peter was saying he was trained in Choy Lay Fut, Edmund was pretty pi##ed off, Arranged a meeting (it was at the Happiness Inn Restaurant at the Haymarket in Newcastle).

(I now understand about lineage in the Martial Arts, if you teach you state who your teacher was, Peter couldn’t.)

Anyway as I could fight, Edmund took me under his wing, (the bloke is a pretty tough guy) Edmund told Peter never to pretend to teach Chinese Martial Arts again and Peter barked back at Edmund, Edmund then walked up to him and beat Peter up (He beat Peter up bad, there was blood streaming from his left ear).

Peter then had to pay for our meal (there was at least 8 of us) and promised never to tell anyone he knew Choy Lay Fut.

For relevance to your site, Peter never told/taught me about Buddhism, he told me he was a Taoist Master (which I believed) he is pretty charismatic.
I know that some will question this however luckily I have been on his path gate website and you can see his martial arts videos, they are proper dancing videos, (any dancer can emulate any martial arts move only better) (the early ones feature KW, ask him).

Sorry for this ramble but this guy Peter is a nasty bit of work, he really undermined my confidence for the period I was with him.

(Just for reference, as well as training with Edmund I have also trained with a lot more Martial Artists (Peter used to forbid this), for example John Aiken from High Bridge but the best (in my view) is the Hartlepool Boy Mr John Dawson, a true Teacher.

I have given this a LOT of thought. I have read my e-mail and it reads pretty bad, I read like a thug (perhaps I am, I was A Doorman/Bouncer in Newcastle for 22 years). Peter, really tried to convince me that he was a Master and as a teenager I totally totally believed him, but luckily coming from a travelling family (where fighting is the norm) I finally understood he was lying to me. He did mess me up in the late 1970’s (I with “K” was his top student), he is good at twisting/bamboozling things, however I was showing my Uncle some techniques and without my compliance my Uncle spanked me. It took me a year and a half to realize Peter was a phony (but it still pi””es me off). I was lucky (he only wasted 18 months of my life) Please feel free to use any information I provide you with any way you want.

Its hard to admit to yourself that you have been duped. (Peter always used to say that Chinese Masters expected total loyalty. No they don’t!)

Peter Young’s relationship with Palyul and H.H. Penor Rinpoche

January 18, 2019January 18, 2019 ~ anon2727 ~ Leave a comment

Peter Young (PY) has no official connection to Nyingma, Palyul or Namdroling. Past emails to Namdroling verifying his authenticity were unanswered. This is the Tibetan way of saying “he is nothing to do with us”. They refuse to acknowledge PY. I have never seen any real connection with Palyul. PY puts their name on the Pathgate website, and that’s all.

I was there when he started to say he was part of Palyul, and it was like someone having been to a place a few times, then saying “oh I’m part of it”. He is lying about this.

Another poster on this forum said he saw the late Holiness Penor Rinpoche (HH) call PY a liar in front of a group of retreatants. Nowadays, PY simply tells his students that he was “scorned very badly” by HH. He claims he did not know why HH was scorning him, he believes that HH was purifying his karma and using him to teach the other students present.

Yet the truth is, HH was simply calling PY out for who he is, a liar. For PY to spin this event to paint himself in a good light shows the jaw-dropping lack of shame and remorse.

I was there when PY started his relationship with HH. PY boasted about how he forced himself into HH’s inner circle by pretending to be a professional photographer who just wanted to take pictures (so he had to be allowed to be nearby at all times). I didn’t just hear about it, I saw it happen. Also ask the senior student, he knows.

PY was not a professional photographer, so he was lying to HH and his circle of high lamas, so he could get close to them.

PY then wanted to self-publish a coffee-table book of HH in order to hide this lie, but since his photographs lacked quality (because he wasn’t a professional), he said that publishing a book like that was too expensive.

HH didn’t like PY, and treated him with disdain. I saw this myself when I was at Namdroling. The times I saw PY with HH, HH did not seem to hold PY in any kind of high regard. In fact, I’d say HH was very careful around PY, and very careful to keep distance from him.

In fact, I heard PY complain about the distance HH kept from him several times. Yes, PY spent time around HH, but I think PY has turned that into “I was his special student”. He’s lying. It’s like someone going to a nightclub a few times with a celebrity, and turning that into “oh yeah we are super special friends”.

HH had patience with PY because PY brought a lot of money to the monastery, and had developed political ties to influential people in the monastery (again through money and also by manipulating the monks’ awe at PY having so many Western students).

I saw HH give PY the lama robes ceremoniously, in return for a lot of money. It was not in recognition of PY’s status. I don’t believe PY when he says HH gave him authority to teach. In Tibetan Buddhism, that kind of authority is always backed up by a signed document from the high lama. The Rinpoche at the official Europe Palyul Centre has such a document.
The Tibetans did this to stop fake gurus. PY does not have such a document from HH.

When I have seen PY interact with other Buddhists it is not positive. He is a constant state of agitation, and always trying to impress them.

PY also behaves generally in a way that is nothing like how I’ve experienced real Tibetan Buddhist Lamas behave. The only Buddhist teachers who behave like PY, are those who have since been exposed at fakes and abusers. This has been true since the 1970s, it’s all documented.

The only teachers who talk about using “crazy wisdom” are the fakes – they use it as an excuse to act like arseholes. The real teachers who use crazy wisdom don’t need to explain that is what they are doing, because even when “crazy”, what they do is positive and effective.

PY is neither positive nor effective, so he has to tell people he’s using “crazy wisdom” to explain his behaviour. He needs the excuse of “crazy wisdom”, otherwise he’s just an arsehole. If you take the excuse of “crazy wisdom” from PY, you see immediately who he really is, someone who is nasty to everyone around him, so he can exploit them, so he doesn’t have to get a job.

A step-by-step guide on how Peter Yeung turns you into one of his believers

December 28, 2018December 28, 2018 ~ karmicwind ~ Leave a comment

The following is shared with us by an ex-student who Peter Yeung attempted to curse and destroy but ultimately failed. He has since went on to rebuild a happy life successfully.

A step-by-step guide on how Peter Yeung turns you into one of his believers:

1. Appear friendly and approachable:

Jovial, adept at cracking jokes, and making fun of himself, Peter Yeoung will create an image that he’s fun to be with, showing interest in your interests and becoming your best pal.

2. Display the image of a sage:

PY has his students around him behave with total obedience and submission. He will also repeatedly recount his encounters with the late H.H Penor Rinpoche and how supramundane their relationship is. Furthermore, we are constantly reminded on the seemingly supernatural events around him, implying his power and extraordinary status. The overall purpose is to instill awe and respect in you, so that you begin to believe how lucky you are to have the opportunity to meet such a “high Lama”.

3. Invite you to attend his “Dharma teachings”:

By this time, if you are still not in awe and respect of him, he would have most likely left you alone for you are not the “chosen one”. As you indeed attend his teaching, he will quote the Buddhist texts but based on his own interpretation. Prior to your arrival, information of you would have been gathered by asking your introducer. During his teaching he will give you the impression that he knows all about you without you telling him, so you feel that his teaching is great as it strikes a chord with your current life situation, and be be interested in going for more. And before you know it, you will be…

4. Taking refuge:

PY would use slogans such as “A human body is hard to attain, and the Buddhadharma is hard to come by” to imply how rare your encounter with him is, and how you should treasure this opportunity now. Should you stubbornly refuse to take refuge with him, he may flare up, but alas there’s nothing more that he can do to you. Knowing that he shouldn’t destroy the relationship he has with you as there’s always another chance in future, he will try to loosen up the tension by being jovial or cracking some jokes.

5. Maintaining control over you and your loved ones:

As you become more involved with Pathgate, PY will use humiliation, induce shame, and remove your ability to make decisions as “Lama knows best”. That in whatever you do, you should always first consult your root guru. He is very skilful in manipulating your emotions, rendering you helpless and tattered as you cling onto his very joy and anger. Total control over you is his way of ensuring the strength of his organisation and its financial sustenance.